Roll of Honour

We will you.

http://discogs.versitio.com//Damnote - , oggercide, March 12, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Horoma - , oggercide, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//jasmithers - , oggercide, April 4, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//labeatrokka - , oggercide, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//lazlo_nibble - , oggercide, March 13, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Never_Again - , oggercide, April 3, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//dj_purity_control - , removed from mod team by the management, November 5, 2007
http://discogs.versitio.com//dmaxx - , removed from mod team by the management, February 8, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//francoisb - , removed from mod team by the management
http://discogs.versitio.com//jdr - , removed from mod team by the management, March 15, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//SC725 - , removed from mod team by the management, January 6, 2008

( http://discogs.versitio.com//Horoma - , left mod team about disagreement with the management ) - vide supra
http://discogs.versitio.com//Iron_Fist - , left mod team about disagreement with the management, February 12, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//MR_E - , left mod team about disagreement with the management, February 13, 2008

s: Old Guard (added on request)

http://discogs.versitio.com//MONK - , left mod team about disagreement with the management, October 2005
http://discogs.versitio.com//pusha2007 (Pushaman) - editor, left mod team about disagreement with the management, 2004
http://discogs.versitio.com//tekkno-guy - , removed in 2004

MIA

http://discogs.versitio.com//Adversus - , inactive due to v4, March 23, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Alton2 - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//AnalogAutomat - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//asylum27 - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//avvy - , inactive due to v4, March 15, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//azzurro - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//balcony_smoker - , inactive due to v4, March 15, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Beyonder26 - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//blunted1995 - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Boytronik - , inactive due to v4, March 10, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//brianlavelle - , inactive due to v4, March 31, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Conceited_2 - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//czarwa - , inactive due to v4, March 16, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//darkwave - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//Deepbass9 - , inactive due to v4, April 7, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//Dimple - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//donnacha - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//earshot - , inactive due to v4, March 11, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Electro-Magnetic - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//eliks_postindustry - , inactive due to v4, March 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//elisel - editor, inactive due to v4, March 11, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//EricLanzillotta - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Escapist - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//euroduo - , inactive due to v4, April 9, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//fleshmeatdoll - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//FLuViRuS - , inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//forxe - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//fritzb - , inactive due to v4, March 14, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Ganjoe_Rood - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//Gizmex - , inactive due to v4, March 15, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//goemon - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//hafler3o - , inactive due to v4, March 21, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//hmvh - , inactive due to v4, April 9, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//inexpressible - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//JAKAZiD - , inactive due to v4, March 30, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//Jester1973 - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//julesparis - editor, inactive due to v4, March 18, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//kaizer_cirque - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//Kater_Murr - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//Kergillian - , inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//Klak - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//kozmikdj - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//kvikkekanin - , inactive due to v4, March 18, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//kwulf - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//la-voie-du-sabre - , inactive due to v4, March 16, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//leebartman - , inactive due to v4, April 4, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//little_alien - , inactive due to v4, March 16, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//mayday - editor, inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//monoton - , inactive due to v4, March 18, 2008
( http://discogs.versitio.com//Never_Again - , inactive due to v4 ) - vide supra

http://discogs.versitio.com//PKS - , inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//prancinghorse - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//psychonausea - editor, inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//psymonkey - , inactive due to v4, March 27, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//pureterror - , inactive due to v4, March 31, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//quisquilia - , inactive due to v4, March 27, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//rassel - , inactive due to v4, March 22, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//raulus - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//rev.robert - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//rocket.romano74 - , inactive due to v4

http://discogs.versitio.com//royb0t - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Schweppsner - , inactive due to v4, March 13, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//sjcee - editor, inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//SirTweak - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//skutchy - , inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//spacegirl3 - , inactive due to v4, March 19, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Stadt.Kind - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//steady-j - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//Stormbringer - editor, inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//terje - , inactive due to v4

http://discogs.versitio.com//TETT_TAAKE - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//ThirstyDragon - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//urbazon - , inactive due to v4
http://discogs.versitio.com//V-12 - , inactive due to v4, March 17, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Vor-Teks - , inactive due to v4

http://discogs.versitio.com//Weasle - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//ziggysmurfdust - , inactive due to v4, March 10, 2008

MIA: Unknown

Two unknown s have been lost on the fields of v4 on March 16, 2008.

s (added on request)

http://discogs.versitio.com//AXSo - , inactive due to v4, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//Goad - , inactive due to v4, March 27, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//instanceof - , inactive due to v4, March 30, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//marcelrecords - , inactive due to v4, March 22, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//MWLAnge - , inactive due to v4, March 22, 2008

http://discogs.versitio.com//noiseupnorth - , oggercide, March 20, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//oil_viber - , inactive due to v4, March 24, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//tony.lee - , inactive due to v4, April 1, 2008
http://discogs.versitio.com//xruntime - , oggercide, March 24, 2008

(Tbc.)

Please post at http://discogs.versitio.com/groups/topic/159284 if you want to be added as inactive (MIA) or want to say bye (KIA).
Please help to identify the unknown s MIA.

Is there truely any alternative to Discogs?
Isn't it time the hundreds of people who care do something for themselves.
I would love the idea that something to compete with discogs was being set up.Something with integrity and accuracy.
I'm not ready to the guys in oggercide just yet but would be willing to at least load the gun if I saw a brighter light.

tony.lee
Is there truely any alternative to Discogs?

the longer v4 runs the more alternatives will become apparent.
not because they are new alternatives, but because discogs has plummeted below their level.

In Memoriam, come and gaze at the names 'lost in action'. A few more names should also be added, lost in preliminary skirmishes prior to V4. I am being serious.

The bugle plays a cadence to the fallen heroes...

Not to mention the time and effort put into this site from both submitters and mods. All that WASTED.

Talk about pissing on a grave...

hafler3o
A few more names should also be added, lost in preliminary skirmishes prior to V4. I am being serious.

I will update accordingly, just post in this thread.

http://discogs.versitio.com//Iron_Fist -- , left mod team about disagreement with the management

Plenty still here who are obviously highly unsatisfied:
http://discogs.versitio.com//azzurro
http://discogs.versitio.com//028 (not sure if this is supposed to be a statement, but it seems pretty prescient)
http://discogs.versitio.com//djrez1
http://discogs.versitio.com//vargind
http://discogs.versitio.com//kvikkekanin
http://discogs.versitio.com//perham
http://discogs.versitio.com//asylum27
http://discogs.versitio.com//hmvh
http://discogs.versitio.com//sdevo
http://discogs.versitio.com//blach

Haven't updated my profile yet, but my feelings about v4 are the same. I've seen a lot of negative reaction to changes in the past, but never this many people just throwing up their hands in disgust. This is so unfortunate. :-(

thnx for listing me ;P

Don't forget that DJ_Purity_Control was the original composer of the Image Guidelines, http://discogs.versitio.com/help/submission-guidelines-images.html

IMO, the most clear written guideline to be found here and perfect understandable for non-native english speaking submitters as well.

I haven't modded or submitted anything in over a month. As of Feb 26th, I canceled/deleted over 175 release/edits/ANVs with the majority (150-160) being new submissions. I deleted my entire collection and about 30-40 drafts. The fun of it is just simply not there anymore nor do I care to line teo's pockets with cash anymore..

it is sad. I know I've only been subbing a short time but i don't feel like doing it anymore. I thought i was ing a community site but i know its not now.

i dont know if i should sub anymore

:*(

This should be the flag....

Current feeling about V4:
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....................,/¯../
.................../..../
............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
.........\.................'...../
..........''...\.......... _.·´
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Thanks azzurro this made my morning (I'm downunder)....
Can I use it too?
SDevo

PS Respect to the above mods that have gone, all were excellent at the unpaid and disrepected job of modding subs. I would go so far as to say that nearly all s (ed before Nov-07) would have had at least one vote from each of the above mods who have gone. RESPECT
BUMP

It just burns me up to think that we had what seemed to be a mutually useful system for collectors/archivists and the like whose main interest was having a common site to facilitate the indexing of their music collections AND marketplace s who use the site primarily or exclusively to sell music. I've said before -- maybe I'm missing something, but I really don't see how the changes made in v4 are an improvement for EITHER type of . In v3, s could still sell "unmoderated" items, no matter how crappy their entries were. I could even have seen them simply removing the ability for mods to remove bad entries via "No" votes (so sellers wouldn't complain about having their incomplete subs removed when they were trying to sell them) but getting rid of the central queue and making all edits live with no prior modding is just daft. I'm feeling overwhelmed and not very motivated right now. :-(

azzurro -- sorry if i made too much of a public show of your opinion, but i'm really feeling the same way right now. i worked hard to earn mod rights because this site was one of the rate online resources in its effort to balance the quality and quantity of data being submitted, with the emphasis on quality.

i really wonder what benefits there are to this new version for the site s.

rate = rare...typo'd!

it's disappointing to say the least, the way things have panned out recently

I would like to give my respect for those who have been brave enough to stand up and react in their respective ways.
I am too much of a coward to throw in the towel but if I had an option, a place to move my interest to, I would seriously think about it.
Is there any thing being set up that will give us serious music freaks something we can call 'Our community'?

Well, folk...at least we still have some humor. Here's another expressing discontent over v4 in his profile. This image gives azzurro's a run for the money, though the finger is still my favorite. :-)

http://discogs.versitio.com//Electro-Magnetic

ihall
Plenty still here who are obviously highly unsatisfied:

Thanks for listing me....for those who can't access the (ex-)mods forum, there are dozens more to add to that list...in fact its pretty much universal, and there is a growing call for a reversion to the point, on 9th March, where some sort of sanity prevailed.

nik's comments you can feel that he's having trouble defending the indefensible..they are very half hearted at best. I'm pretty sure he knows V.4 is a disaster zone and one would hope he is expressing that behind the scenes to Kevin.

If it weren't for the survivors' humor in these forums, I'd never come back.

At this point this is NO LONGER A "COMMUNITY-BUILT DATABASE".

Teo should remove this from the homepage. It's false advertising.

I've been here for 4 years. I truly am saddened and offended.

I'm an unhappy 'cogger today...

[cue strings section]

I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site, surely not as much as many of you, and now that V4 is live, I can only feel that it's all been wasted.

When this was announced one month ago, it was like receiving a punch in the face from a near friend. Although I knew it would happen sooner or later, I was quite taken aback. All s would be thrown out the door like garbage with no due respect to our voluntary work. That's why I had to leave the mod team.

Peace and respect to all those mentionned in this thread. I hope the dream will continue somewhere else.

Iron_Fist
I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site, surely not as much as many of you, and now that V4 is live, I can only feel that it's all been wasted.

I'm on the way out. At this point I can count the days before I give up and pack it in. It's only a mater of time.

The fun is over, this site has gone to pieces.
http://discogs.versitio.com//euroduo

I'm shocked that threads like this get no from the "higher ups".

I wish I was a IT expert or hacker. I'd come up with a script/program/virus to remove EVERY SINGLE SUBMISSION I took the time to submit from the database.

Personally, there should be an option to do this in MYDISCOGS.

Escapist
I'm an unhappy 'cogger today...

That shouldn't be, all changes were made to keep all ogger happy. ;-)

Been here less then 2 years and "made it" to #61 on the contributer list with a rank of close to 13.400 (non-important, but to show my dedication prior to v4).

Iron_Fist, you speak for the both of us:

"I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site.

When this was announced one month ago, it was like receiving a punch in the face from a near friend. Although I knew it would happen sooner or later, I was quite taken aback. All s would be thrown out the door like garbage with no due respect to our voluntary work."

I haven't voted once since v4 was introduced, and added 2 small releases. The fun is gone.

Talk Talk - The Party's Over

Now that obviously all V4 functions are up and running I have lost hope that it finally turns into something that is still giving me a similar level of statisfaction compared to what we were doing before.
What really disappoints me is the fact that the communication between was effectively destroyed (on purpose?). This is not a community anymore besides in the forums/groups but no longer on the main topic: the subs. Until I can see what happens on my subs again, who comments/votes, until I can discuss or even fight again about it in a manner that I was used to I am not going to contribute more than just taking a minimal bit of care of the subs in the DB from me already. It was only three month that I was part of this project but it was fun. I really had not seen it coming like this....too bad, but I have other things to do that I even get paid for and which are also fun. So see you once in a while and have fun (elsewhere).

My respect to all the above mentioned lost mods, all current mods and frustrated , who cared about quality.

Reading this thread it's very sad. I look back on the 'good old days' of accuracy with fondness knowing they'll never return.

Kudos to the all the mods, and the above fallen heroes.

Yes it was exciting to be part of something so great, but these wounds are deep and I'm not sure they'll ever heal.

sdevo
Can I use it too?

Sure you can!

ihall
sorry if i made too much of a public show of your opinion,

No problem mate. If I don't want my opinion to be public, I would not post it in my profile. I'm from Holland and we like our freedom of speech...

.

azzurro
Sure you can!

copied and applied :)
Bedankt goos!

Summary of v4: http://discogs.versitio.com//FLuViRuS
Fully agreed.

Hmm...where do I start. When I first checked Discogs many many moons ago, I subbed a Mariah Carey record for a laugh (this one). Then I got a couple more, and realised they weren't in yet, so I subbed a few more. And a few more. And before I knew it, I was actually setting time aside in my personal life so that I could submit my records and CD's and have a central hub where everyone could access them.

My other thing was that I kept seeing requests on a message board I visit everyday, for tracklistings of latest Promos and older records. They usually went along the lines of: "Was the Thunderpuss Hands In The Air Mix of Madge - Don't Tell Me ever released on CD?" etc etc. And so the more we built up the database, the more I could direct people onto OUR Database. Then as we matured from v.1 it was clear we were REALLY getting somewhere. We had crazy accurate credits, I was finding out so much about the music I loved, and clicking a few links helped me discover so much more.

I built up relationships with other subbers to ensure that we could get the latest Pop/Dance promos in asap so that everyone could see the mailouts to DJ's. I worked with Michael Jackson and Madonna collectors to try and get as much rare stuff in as possible; I'm a huge MJ fan and some of the stuff I was seeing made my eyes pop out. Rare mixes were now available, etc etc. It was getting really good. I also started helping to build new Remixer/producer profile pages. I got emails and MySpace messages from Hani and Jody Den Broeder thanking me for adding all this stuff.

Then we got the clusterfuck that is v3.0 and everything started going downhill. It became clear that we were moving into an era of Discogs that was not beneficial for anything other the wallets of the 3 people who earn money from this site. Management built up a hierarchy and aura of "I'm better than you", and nothing - not a single thing was listened to from the moderaters side. I know it's easy for casual subbers to come here and see things and say "well the mods are overreacting and management are acting in the best interests of everyone." But for those of you who weren't privvy to the Mod forums, we begged and pleaded. Almost on a daily basis, both for changes to make it better for subbers and mods alike, and also to not damage OUR site. For those of you who are still wondering what happened when we posed ALL of these questions to management regarding the issues that were occuring - this was the result. A banning of a long-standing mod, for daring to disagree with the changes that were ruining OUR database.

It's truly horrifying to see all your hard work over a good few years undone within hours, at a click of a button. All that time and effort not just for me, but for everyone who contributed to this site - all gone. I know some of you are reading this and are thinking "wow - this dude needs to get a life". But when you spend time away from your family, friends, even take up your holiday time to devote to helping build an online DB, it's really heartbreaking to see someone not only have the power, but actually use it, to destroy it.

The DB gives NO useful information on latest releases because the information entered is a load of shite. Most of the hardcore subbers don't bother anymore, cos you go to enter something, only to realise some twat has gone in and entered a websub from an .nfo file he ed on a Scene Release (and has done it WRONG). We were on the brink of something really good, and it's all gone.

teo - I hope all that $$$ was worth it. I would request a reponse on this thread to the numerous long-standing who have left (willingly or not). But you have both long mastered the skill of avoiding the difficult questions posed to you, and/or give deliberately vague answers that ultimately amount to nothing. Totally pathetic.

Respects to those mods removed by management, and those s and mods brave enough to walk away from this clusterfuck. Though disaffected and submitting little, i can't stop myself from waiting and seeing how awful it can still get.

Your words are a nice summation of my similar grievances with the site, SC725, even though I haven't been here as long as you have. I do the days of accurate data, and I feel sorry for all the people who didn't come across the site in time to see the awesome thing that it was.

tony.lee
Then one day I come home and she's in bed with the nieghbour, but still, maybe this can still work out??
It's the same feeling here.

But this picture is in fact worse : The guy she is sleeping with turns to b...f... you, as you arrive. Pardon my french.

Edit : Sorry - hit refresh ...

Wasn't this bug fixed in V4 ?
Well : Who cares ...

how many are left then?

Well, - I've only been around for three months plus. Actively submitting (185 releases, plus profiles, images and comments) since January 1st, and my only concern is, that my submissions will/could be corrupted, when I leave. Surely, there's no fun left here. All respect SC725 - but one doesn't have to be a Discogs "old-boys", to get frustrated about V4.

Anybody starting a parallel Discogs with greater concern for data quality - look me up, please.

Just a thought : A lot of fellow s talks about "fake hips" - moderating and posting with one-self so to speak. Nobody knowing teo ?

Edit - another refresh. sorry.

blach
Nobody knowing nik's real name - could it be, that nik is in fact teo ?

o_O

blach
Nobody knowing nik's real name - could it be, that nik is in fact teo?

I've seen no evidence that could disprove this. They very well may be one and the same. Does that really change anything though? It just makes the good cop/bad cop scenario even more amusing because the cops are one and the same.

blach
nik is in fact teo

One person with a crush on three letter names??..I had the same idea also before. In the end it does not matter, does it?

TEO Nik
=
The Executive Officer Nik

aahhhh :)

Arent you people a bit scared of something new? I understand anger dissapointment ... but why don't give few more days? Why waste all great job u all did here? You all complaining about Nik ... but wasn't discogs his idea? I don't believe he wanna ruin Discogs, and I believe the changes he did here will work out in the future... Life changes all the time why Discogs should stay always the same? Greetings to you all. Let's try to understand and accept the changes together.... or am I naive?

people here have put several years (in some cases) of their own time to make sure the subs are correct. This new version anyone can come along and change a sub to anything they like. The changes go live straight away

It sits waiting for a vote but in V3 you had to wait for a mod to OK it before it went live.

I think that's the main grevience people have.

some of the stuff I like though

Plus there's a lot of stuff in the mod forums that we don't get to see. Issues between Nik and the mods/editors.

There's a link floating around these forums somewhere but that's a subject I'm not touching with a 10 foot barge pole.
:)

No teo isnt nik XD

Teo d for the job of forum manager and nik (or electronik as he was known originally) got the job.

He changed it from 'electronik' becuase he said it shows a bias to one genre of music on ogs :)

z-music
...You all complaining about Nik ... but wasn't discogs his idea?...

No

z-music
...Let's try to understand and accept the changes together.... or am I naive?

Yes

It wasn't his idea?

I thought it was

No Teo was the original founder of Discogs back in 2000.

ahh

thanks

shadowslip
Plus there's a lot of stuff in the mod forums that we don't get to see. Issues between Nik and the mods/editors.

Actually, the s are just as mum there as they are in the General Forum.

z-music
Arent you people a bit scared of something new? ... Let's try to understand and accept the changes together...or am I naive?

We are *absolutely* scared of and saddened/angered by v4! The functions that used to facilitate the checking of data prior to it going live have been removed, and already we've seen dozens and dozens of cases of faulty submissions going into a number of the more closely monitored artist & label pages. One can only imagine how many hasty submissions are popping up in more obscure corners of the site.

I'm inclined to say that you are a bit naive if you don't grasp that these updates have imperiled the integrity of this website and the accurate data that so many of us have put so much time and effort into submitting. Can you describe any real benefit these new changes have offered?

I understand that nik can only do and respond to so much, but I find it really distressing that there hasn't been any kind of "State Of v4 Address" or response from them, considering the large number of concerns that have been raised over the past few days since the change.

I'm not trying to foment...in fact, I've historically been very quiet on the boards, but this update seems to offer nothing for those of us who have worked so hard to maintain the accuracy & integrity of data, and only limited benefit to marketplace sellers -- as I see it, the only real bonus for them is being able to "get away with" having crappy subs in the database for longer because they are harder to track down and vote against.

I am open to the possibility that more changes could shape this new system into something workable, but not without a serious re-thinking of the voting system and the return of many of the functions that made voting / modding more easy. Certainly, it seems that finding a way to incorporate rank points is a very hot topic, as well.

Hard not to be edgy with no response yet from management.

Jayfive
No teo isnt nik XD

I did not really believe it, but the idea was somehow ... funny! And we don't have a lot else to laugh about these days.

ihall
Can you describe any real benefit these new changes have offered?

Yes sure: http://discogs.versitio.com/release/1156791 - this will be not happen anymore (I hope) . Compare both of them ... do u see any difference? http://discogs.versitio.com/release/1215531

First was rejected by mod only because he wanted to prove he is an God here ... He tried to train me like a puppy and did a lot to make me banned only because I've proved he wasn't right ... I'm happy he will not reject any of my sub anymore only bec ause I blocked him (Well he wrote that few times as a reason). I'm trully happy about that.... Every weekend when he was logging in my horror started. Only because he wasn't right so he did my life here very very complicated with some help of the others ... so don't say everything was so great here. I don't say every mod was like this ... many of you were really friendly and really helpful.... but 2 or 3 of you were just kids who got powerful toy in their hands...

You can add me to the list of mods who used to care. I won't commit oggercide, but I'm done here.

^^ neither have any history so it's difficult to see what you are getting at. Was it a guidelines issue?

yes he said when collaborations released 2 titles they are listed as one artist but guidelines says about 3 and more releases so I was right ....

mods did subs without seeing release (sub with fiction credits or ghost artists) another mods accepted such a sub and Discogs showed releases with lots of errors... it was "kind of mafia behaviour" in my opinion.

Enough of your blabla now. This is the wrong thread for such things, open your own if you think you have to tell something important. Btw, you should have submitted Submission Complaint Reports if you think you have been treated wrong by mods.

z-music
Yes sure: http://discogs.versitio.com/release/1156791 - this will be not happen anymore (I hope) . Compare both of them ... do u see any difference? http://discogs.versitio.com/release/1215531

A one off incident, without hearing the other side hardly qualifies as a indicative of a benefit in V.4. As Haze said you had access to a SCR....did you file one? If not, you have no real comeback or reason for complaint.

z-music
it was "kind of mafia behaviour" in my opinion.

Really? A grand conspiracy? Can you back this with solid evidence.

As Haze says..start your own thread on this (or the community-manager-in-hiding)

Haze
Enough of your blabla now

Yours as well ... it was an answer ... read a bit more above and u will see why I wrote this. by the way... Being friendly doesn't hurts - do u know that?

asylum27
As Haze says..start your own thread on this (or the community-manager-in-hiding)

As well read few lines above... I don't look for the justice .... I'm happy about v4, and what I wrote was an example why.

Maybe it's bla bla bla, maybe I'm silly or whatever but look at you, crying instead of thinking about the future. Don't like it here? Do someone force you to be here? I don't think so. Take deep breath, stop treating yourselves like Gods, impossible to replace, and working so hard etc etc.... Not only mods were working hard here.

Actually it's a first friday since Schiller's submission I don't have few "no reason" N-Votes. So I'm more happy about v4.

That's all ... I don't need any further answers on this one. I'm not everyday guest on Help Forums which has turned into Lament Forums ... and why it's happen? Mostly because you have lost control ... not because you really care about quality... My advice is - just stop it and give v4 real chance! Good luck in new reality!

noiseUPnorth
Besides liking V4, I think you have other issues as well....

Yeah I'm mental escaped patient ... Sorry I've said something ... I'm not allowed I shouldn't say more than "YES SIR" because "NO" isn't allowed here. and I should speak while I'm on my knees only with my head down. Grow up! going to bed. Have you a nice crying.

z-music
That's all ... I don't need any further answers on this one. I'm not everyday guest on Help Forums which has turned into Lament Forums ... and why it's happen? Mostly because you have lost control ... not because you really care about quality... My advice is - just stop it and give v4 real chance! Good luck in new reality!

Really that's it? That's your response. You post a bunch of accusations against a bunch of people who have worked extraordinarily hard over the years to maintain the integrity of the database. Unable to back any of them you toss in a few more unable accusations. If that is the way you react in a discussion forum, its no wonder that others had a problem with you.

Once again, there is a procedure to deal with this (or there was) called an SCR...if you didn't file one then you really should not be complaining.

But you are right about one thing, it is about the loss of control...but not about the mods losing control, but rather the tossing away of any control over the integrity of the database and that effects everyone.

As noiseUPnorth rather correctly says:

Besides liking V4, I think you have other issues as well.

z-music
Yeah I'm mental escaped patient ... Sorry I've said something ... I'm not allowed I shouldn't say more than "YES SIR" because "NO" isn't allowed here. and I should speak while I'm on my knees only with my head down. Grow up! going to bed. Have you a nice crying.

i am sure you are easy to deal with having to have the last word on everything and everyone.
what did you achive? you turned this "roll of honour" thread into something completely off topic. instead of putting yourself at the center of attention show some respect to the s honored here and go away. create your own "i love v4" thread.

Guys - can you please ignore the troll?

This thread is about s / s who were b e t r a y e d by the Discogs management in a most shameful manner.

vice versa quisquilia! U must be really good one ... I'm happy not every mod/ share your feelings. Just a few people and u if someone betrayed Discogs it's you with your childish topic, not management. I don't believe management want any thing wrong for this comunity. But I'm gonna repeat I'm happy the situation I was writting above not gonna happen! and one more thing... This is HELP FORUM and this topic doesn't help. Wanted to read about new rules etc. that's why went here and instead of help I saw this nonsense. And u all wrote about hard work... I don't say everyone did that but most of u were just points hunters and if someone lost motivation - it were regular s, having 6 months unmoderated subs, because mods were busy with subs from other mods, accepting each others subs and hunting for the points.

Strange I have never seen you all working (moderating) any of my subs - the people who were really working before they will do further because if they were here for the idea they will stay, but if someone wanted having control over the other people he just lost it and he is upset...

It's a nonsense... I supposed to learn about new v4, I'm writing here, and because I wrote something different I'm a troll. Wonderful comunity people. Someone gets kicked only because different opinion....

someone said on these forums "divide and conquer"

hmmm, I guess they have a point

here's a clue to why this thread is in this forum:

"Discogs General - Questions and comments about Discogs."

Your record as a trouble-maker precedes you.

z-music
I don't say everyone did that but most of u were just points hunters and if someone lost motivation - it were regular s, having 6 months unmoderated subs,

And final proof if proof were needed that you either havent the slightest idea what you're blathering on about or here to deliberately cause ructions.

Most people here were not 'points hunters' at all - simply because since v3 points didnt MEAN anything.

And since v3 regular s didnt NEED to worry about submission waiting times.

Since your Mr Chatty, answer this for me - what, under discogs v3, could you not do while your submission was pending? You could add it to your collection, wantslist, sales, rate it, edit it etc etc. What is it you couldnt do that your so glad to have v4? (though its very obvious you're not and really just a troublemaker)

z-music
because mods were busy with subs from other mods, accepting each others subs and hunting for the points.

Clueless...utterly and totally clueless. NOTHING of the sort occured. Mods did vote on other mods submission yes, but not as a conscious effort to the detriment of other s. The very idea that mods even cared so much about rankpoints that they would engage in mutual back-scratching simply so they can have a bigger number on their profile is laughable.

Same old conspiracy theories from people who know NOTHING. Go back to what you're good at - insulting people in polish in submission comments. Its a damn shame that perfectly good mods and long-term s leave and people like you stay.

Jayfive - Give me one example I've insulted someone .... it was never happen sorry boy.

Dont call me boy you cheeky sod. Answer my question.

In answer to yours, your on-going row with korba - no, you didnt start it, but you carried it on. No, I dont want to hear your side of it, its not relevant to this discussion - my question is, answer it.

This is how online communities are torn apart.

You boys need to play nice or you'll be sat on the naughty step.

:)

Hi,time to intervine.
I am opening another forum for this to be taken to.
This is the wrong place so I ask that you please use the other.This will be open in a few minutes.
I would really appreciate your cooperation, thankyou Tony.

shadowslip
This is how online communities are torn apart.

You boys need to play nice or you'll be sat on the naughty step.

:)

I swear I had nothing bad in mind. I've said "Don't waste your work you all did here" above someone asked me if I see any plus of v4 I've answered. So from this moment it started. I apologize I don't share an opinion how everything is wrong.

Jayfive
In answer to yours, your on-going row with korba - no, you didnt start it, but you carried it on

So show me any single word I wrote to him can be taken as an insult ... By the way Vice Versa:-)

I give up and taking all back... stay here and complain (which give nothing exept more anger and dissapointment). The way you do in here (closing the s, complaining, insulting) is not an answer. That's what I ment nothing else. Sorry for that.

http://discogs.versitio.com//blach

that sucks man

Iron_Fist
I'm seriously thinking of comitting oggercide, but I don't think I have the courage yet. I've invested so much time and work in this site, surely not as much as many of you, and now that V4 is live, I can only feel that it's all been wasted.

Same here....all down the drain :-(

Ok, sorry but I am going to lock this topic, the help section is no place for flamewars. I am sad some s have left, and I am very sorry that some s had to be removed.