Mass Edit Destroyed Folkways Company Profile, Changed To Invalid Name

Opened my inbox last night to find 8 of my releases edited to destroy the profile for "Folkways Records & Service Corp." and turn it into the caps-rule violating Folkways Records and Service Corp. I advised the mass editor here of the problem here: http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=2528047#latest
And was told in reply that advice had been posted on the "Folkways Records & Service Corp." page (which was created prior to the other one) to redirect; that also wasn't discussed in forums. Notice that even the logo at the Folkways Records and Service Corp. profile page shows that the "&" version is correct! I suspect these edits may also have something to do with a who messed with the Smithsonian company credits a while back because he didn't care for the way they're written on releases; that seems to be where the re-direct advice came from.

In my opinion the whole profile at Folkways Records and Service Corp. should be reverted to the previous "Folkways Records & Service Corp." which is correct both in of database rules, what's written on the releases, and the logo image ed.

This is precisely the kind of nonsense that frustrates me most on Discogs. Hopefully the who did this set of edits will us here. He's usually a good 'ogger, he's been around for a long time, and usually does things that make sense. In this case I agree with you that it doesn't make sense and that the edits should be reverted. Not coming to the forum first is also just plain wrong.

Hopefully this can be resolved with an amicable discussion. If not, this definitely deserves a Request.

timetogo
This is precisely the kind of nonsense that frustrates me most on Discogs.

I agree; it's maddening to finally get a sub into more or less complete and correct condition and then have to constantly be on guard to defend the DQ against mass editors. About half of the time I spend on the database now is reverting changes that have been made to correct subs which either directly violate guidelines or haven't been cleared first.

timetogo
Hopefully this can be resolved with an amicable discussion.

Hopefully, yes.

timetogo
He's usually a good 'ogger

Oops, edit: I had the wrong . Don't know this one actually.

but I do like ChampionJames's linked video. Must show this to the kids.

another edit: I mentioned that I could crush my own head in frustration. Sorry, quite right that the response didn't fit after my edit!

I'm crushing your head!

consort
I do like ChampionJames's linked video. Must show this to the kids.

Heh, but now that you've edited, the video makes no sense... Just looks like I'm posting crazy ive-aggressive stuff for no reason. That is, more so than I usually do.

Ah, those wacky Canadians!

All changes have been reverted, as requested....

http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4519475-1367202773-8549.jpeg
http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4519475-1367202796-3939.jpeg
http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-4519475-1367202865-6784.jpeg
If you look at these images, both Folkways Records and Service Corp. are used... one on the back cover, the others on the labels and included booklet....
On this release, both are used on the labels:
http://discogs.versitio.com/viewimages?release=4429537

It seems like they are used interchangeably.

ChampionJames
In my opinion the whole profile at Folkways Records and Service Corp. should be reverted to the previous "Folkways Records & Service Corp." which is correct both in of database rules, what's written on the releases, and the logo image ed.

I'd go along with that

Ktrump5
All changes have been reverted

Not yet, there are a couple missed still.
And please look at the profiles - you've "reverted" one but left it the same, only cosmetically altered.
They need to be switched ... the right one says please use the wrong one, and the wrong one has a full profile.

That is what was there before.... And don't call it right or wrong yet... Everybody else just jump on the band wagon while you're at it, yeesh

Generally speaking I'd take the agreed opinion of the particular s in this thread as a firmly reliable bandwagon.

You still didn't find & revert all of your edits btw. And do I realize that was what was there before, and because of that I can't see either of your edits there as anything other than perfectly pointless.

Thanks for the reverts, Ktrump5.

Ktrump5
It seems like they are used interchangeably.

Yes, they're the same company. However the "&" version was first (I know because it was one of the very first companies ever added to this database) but more importantly, the version with the lowercase "and" is simply against the caps rules and never should have been created that way to begin with... if you care whether the company is called "&" or "And", we can have that debate, but "and" in lowercase is wrong no matter what.

consort
They need to be switched ... the right one says please use the wrong one, and the wrong one has a full profile.

I C-voted adrien2329; I couldn't tell who had done it earlier because the profile had been deleted (it wasn't who I thought it might have been, incidentally).

We now need to figure out whether to add everything to the "&" profile or whether to create a new profile for "And" (in caps). Anyone have a preference? (I own eight of these releases and they all use "&").

EDIT: BTW, cheers consort for looking over all those; your comment helped me make sense of some of these entanglements. Appreciate your time.

cheers! Regarding whether to move or keep both, I think RSG §4.2.1.b. indicates that because there is no "separate branch, brand, or company" indicated by the use of "and" or "&," we should keep only one and move everything to "&."

consort
Regarding whether to move or keep both, I think RSG §4.2.1.b. indicates that because there is no "separate branch, brand, or company" indicated by the use of "and" or "&," we should keep only one and move everything to "&."

+1 I would put everything under &.

I obviously do no care which one is used or else I wouldn't have made the changes....
THanks Consort.... I look forward to your "perfectly pointless" changes as well...

consort
we should keep only one and move everything to "&."

timetogo
+1 I would put everything under &.

Cool, thanks you two, I'll leave this up for a day or so in case there are objections, and then I'll attempt the move.

timetogo
+1 I would put everything under &.

yup

Agree and if there's a few that use 'and' that can go to the Notes as with so many other companies.

Thanks, silverleaf (good to see you around!), I'll probably start the move tomorrow if there are no intervening objections.

I don't understand what just happened:
Folkways Records & Service Corp. has just disappeared and someone (voting previous edits EI) just reverted everything to Folkways Records and Service Corp.
It's confusing because I'm not sure if it's displaying correctly as the edit doesn't make sense as it was clearly discussed on this forum topic.
here's my sub affected: http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=3784771
also strange that would be coted C. as I see no history of that vote.

What a cluster f.... I'm not going to try and sort it either. It does seem that someone needs a bunch of EI votes. This is an experienced ogger who's been around forever so there really is no excuse for this sort of mass edit.

Lol! I think that's just a misunderstanding, I doubt he would do that on purpose.

But, I have some free time in about an hour. If no one else is in the mood. :)

It looks like the merge/move to & never happened, that's why the confusion.

Now everything is at Folkways Records & Service Corp. Left a link and request to continue any discussion here on every release.

Anyone trying to change it to anything else shall face my wrath.

auboisdormant
It looks like the merge/move to & never happened, that's why the confusion.

Hmmm... pretty sure I recall moving the last few after Ktrump5's reverts a month ago as per my post, but I guess there were still a few left? A bit puzzling as I could swear the "and" was gone.

The who's done this latest round is the one I was referring to in my original post; this same thing has been tried at least three times now.

Why exactly these attempts keep recurring is a total mystery to me.

Actually looking more closely at this, it seems that 3silences33 over this! Which is really horrific... the appropriate links where in the histories, the reverts were discussed and agreed upon here. Absolutely no reason to charge in and vote them down; even if the links to this thread were not seen, the votes would still have been outrageous.

Incidentally, if anyone reading this would care to go through Ktrump5's pendings and look for places to cast C votes, that'd be great. I'm gonna see if I can leave him/her a few. He or she has been really unfairly beaten up by this, and beaten up pretty bad, from the looks of it... multiple EIs.

ChampionJames
Hmmm... pretty sure I recall moving the last few after Ktrump5's reverts a month ago as per my post, but I guess there were still a few left?

That's odd, because there were some releases that had been subbed a long while ago that had no changes done, see for example:
http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=3721186#latest

ChampionJames
the appropriate links where in the histories

Most releases had no links to this discussion.

I agree that in no way the EIs are right. Luckily Ktrump5's average vote received is good enough that I doubt he/she will suffer too much. I'm going to take a look and see if I can throw some positive votes. :)

ChampionJames
Why exactly these attempts keep recurring is a total mystery to me.

Well, hopefully this is the end of it. Otherwise... like I said. :D

auboisdormant
That's odd, because there were some releases that had been subbed a long while ago that had no changes done, see for example

Yeah, I noticed that when I looked to give you some Cs for the corrections. I really could have sworn the profile was wiped away a month back but I guess I was mistaken or got sidetracked or something.

auboisdormant
Most releases had no links to this discussion.

Well, some of consort so that should have alerted the voter; but even if not, the votes were still bad.

It upsets me because I thought the whole thing had been resolved without a bloodletting. And Ktrump5 was originally acting on bad advice given in an undiscussed redirect anyway. Really unfair to him or her.

auboisdormant
Well, hopefully this is the end of it.

Let's hope! Thanks very much for your edits.

Thanks to all contributors for cleaning up the mess
I'm the first who spent time to gather all submissions under the now defunct Folkways Records and Service Corp.
Then, you decided that the original - or may be the common form (no one here will never know) - is Folkways Records & Service Corp.

Well I'm happy that the situation is now crystal clear to everyone
The only thing that matters for me is to gather all submissions under one consistent entry

Well done - even if it could have been performed without a 2-page thread
Thanks again to improve Discogs, we do care

Thanks everyone for the thoughts! I really do want this to be a great and accurate source for everyone to use, and I only make edits to help!
I hope this whole thing is sorted out, and at least my original (incorrect) edits helped bring this issue to light and help finally get everything corrected!

I think the profiles should be updated to reflect these changes. Right now, there's no notes about the change from and to & or correct company to use and dead links as well.
I wanted to bring it up before making any changes in the profiles.

discosanddragons
Right now, there's no notes about the change from and to & or correct company to use and dead links as well.

There is a redirect on the Folkways Records and Service Corp. profile, you just can't see it because the profile is dead. I don't know why there should be a note about the change on the Folkways Records & Service Corp. profile... there's a link to this discussion in the history, that should be enough, no?

Sorry, I was talking about Folkways Records, you caught it. thanks!!

discosanddragons
Sorry, I was talking about Folkways Records, you caught it. thanks!!

Meh, you should've just gone ahead and fixed that. :)