speaking of a sandpaper release, what about a 1" record?

Spazz put out a 1" noise ep called Funky Ass Lil' Platter on Slap A Ham (#34, limited to 14 copies) which is commonly refereed to as an unplayable art project.

can be seen on the label's discography here
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=428334580&blogId=461237886

and a spazz member chris dodges personal discography here
http://blogs.myspace.com/cmdodge

is this allowed in? i would say so since i've seen a couple blank records (and i think a clock made from a blank 12") and now possibly a 7" piece of sandpaper.

And from the same label, a 2" record: http://www.indieville.com/slightslappersall2.gif

They're still records with audio, therefore still eligible...

Ah! Have you seen these?
http://www.wfmu.org/MACrec/allbhut.html

The only problem with submitting these super-small records is that the format descriptors under Vinyl only go down to 4" (which can be changed of course).

cincinnati
commonly refereed to as an unplayable art project.

Odd, I've heard that it is a playable record (if your turntable can handle it).

i've heard debate on it. the slap a ham page says it's unplayable. i've heard from someone who had this that it was more like a plastic toy and it would just make noise and probably damage your needle if you were dumb enough to try to play it because it was so small and didn't have normal grooves. i've also heard that it had something pressed on it but record players couldn't play it correctly anyway because of the size.

as far as i know it wasn't included on the spazz discography that they gave out to raffle winners at their final show either. they claim it was a complete discography on 4 cd's so that may say nothing was actually pressed on this 1".

marcelrecords
Ah! Have you seen these?

Now those are cool!

thefoureyedfox
The only problem with submitting these super-small records is that the format descriptors under Vinyl only go down to 4" (which can be changed of course).

Yes, please let me know of any extraordinary size and I'll add it (within reason) or we can discuss it.

cincinnati
Spazz put out a 1" noise ep called Funky Ass Lil' Platter on Slap A Ham (#34, limited to 14 copies) which is commonly refereed to as an unplayable art project.

is this allowed in?

Going by http://discogs.versitio.com/help/submission-guidelines-general-rules.html#Valid_Information

1.1.3. Any item on an audio format (as given on the formats list page) is potentially eligible for inclusion to the Discogs database.

And

1.1.3.c. Audio formats that don't contain audio (for example blank picture discs) are eligible for inclusion as long as they have a label / catalog number.

Not at this time.

nik
Not at this time.

Why not?

It is an audio format (vinyl) and it likely contains audio - though even if it didn't, it should still be eligible as it has a valid label and cat#. Whether a standard turntable can play it or not is irrelevant.

marcelrecords
Ah! Have you seen these?

Thanks for making my day! Of course from the country who measures its own wealth in "Gross National Happiness!!" :D

Kergillian

It is an audio format (vinyl) and it likely contains audio - though even if it didn't, it should still be eligible as it has a valid label and cat#. Whether a standard turntable can play it or not is irrelevant.

word, Slap A Ham #34.

I have a 2" flexidisc floating around the DB somewhere...

What about a little wind-up toy turntable music box with little plastic discs that play different songs? Should that also be added to the database?

http://www.thisoldtoy.com/new-images/images-ok/900-999/FP995-EB81909379-B.JPG

EDIT:Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTHwwbWDg5g

djindio
wind-up toy turntable music box with little plastic discs

I wonder how many records were available for it.

pastysurprise
I wonder how many records were available for it.

I think it came with 5 discs.

EDIT:not sure of others were sold seperately or not...

Kergillian
Why not?

It is an audio format (vinyl) and it likely contains audio - though even if it didn't, it should still be eligible as it has a valid label and cat#. Whether a standard turntable can play it or not is irrelevant.

nik
Spazz put out a 1" noise ep called Funky Ass Lil' Platter on Slap A Ham (#34, limited to 14 copies) which is commonly refereed to as an unplayable art project.

AFAIAA, it is not playable ad doesn't contain audio. If it does, it would be ok.

djindio
What about a little wind-up toy turntable music box with little plastic discs that play different songs? Should that also be added to the database?

No, they are sequences embedded into the disc that play the instrument, much like player-piano rolls, which are also not eligible at this time.

Let's focus on publicly available pre-recorded audio works, thanks!

I think I've still got them... in a box... somewhere! These work along the lines of music boxes, with stiff wires in the "tonearm." Similar to a music box... but that would be another genre.

nik
Spazz put out a 1" noise ep called Funky Ass Lil' Platter on Slap A Ham (#34, limited to 14 copies) which is commonly refereed to as an unplayable art project.

Perhaps it could be played on..

djindio
a little wind-up toy turntable music box with little plastic discs that play different songs?

:D

as far as I know the Spazz and Slight Slappers records were toy records with a sticker of the corresponding band logo as "center label", however these actually did not contain any music. Even if they did, it would not be anything the bands in question have made as those records were "pre-made" and simply altered with stickers and a cover for a laugh.
The Spazz 1" sold for more than $300 on eBay, btw.
Here's the item description of one of those eBay auctions for the 1"

This is the rarest Spazz "record" (and rarest Slap A Ham release - #34). A plastic 1" toy record that Chris Dodge made labels for, glued a sleeve and printed a ridiculous insert (the excessive thank you lists from the "La Revancha" lp). THERE IS NO MUSIC ON THIS RECORD and no possible way to play this on any turntable that I know of. I am told this is limited to only 15 copies. I found an extra copy while cleaning house over the summer. A must have for Spazz & Slap A Ham completists. Excellent condition. Unplayed even (haha).

djindio
What about a little wind-up toy turntable music box with little plastic discs that play different songs? Should that also be added to the database?

I used to have one of those when I was a kid! I also had a mini tape player that took little tiny cassettes.

nik
AFAIAA, it is not playable ad doesn't contain audio. If it does, it would be ok.

http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/207270

What about the 12" Optigan disks, to be played on the Mattel Optigan (Organ)? Some of those were mixed in with a collection of LPs i aquired. I listed them on the Optigan website, and they disappeared quickly. There is someone listed here at Discogs who performs on that instrument (type Optigan in Search and you will find him).

cincinnati
http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/207270

as long as nobody here owns either of these releases, there's no need to speculate wheter they're eligible or not anyway. if somebody had them, they would have already turned up

that's retarded logic. how many hundreds of releases are added here every day? are we to assume anything not added yet won't be added later? there's perfect reason to speculate, because they exist. there are collectors out there who want them (and spend $300) for them. just because nobody on this site has added them yet doesn't mean anything. with their value and collector status they will show up here sooner or later.

i wouldn't doubt someone tried to add them before just to be told they were ineligible.

might have been the case. however due to the rare nature of these it's unlikely. anyways, you can't really expect that anyone who acutally owns it and adds it in say one year knows that there's a thread about this in here. It's pretty safe to assume that nobody who took part in this discussion owns either of these releases, so it's a just matter of time this discussion gets lost in the shuffle and noone looks back into it (the search engine certainly does not help here either), so if these items actually find their way in here you start from scratch either way.

Do you think s would attempt to discuss the eligibility of such releases before submitting them anyway?

nik
AFAIAA, it is not playable ad doesn't contain audio. If it does, it would be ok.

Fair enough - but I'm still on the fence, as it has a label and cat# and is meant to be a sort of record gimmick.

But if it's just plastic and has no grooves, then fair play :)