MP3 CD: Missing? How do I add?

Hello,

How do I add an MP3 CD? It doesn't seem to be in the format list at all. I am talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3_CD

As you can see here: http://discogs.versitio.com/viewimages?release=5516960 it does have it's own logo. So it should be added imo.

Use two format Lines;
1 x CD, Album
35 x File, MP3, 320 kbps

Also - even if you keep the Format on one line, you need to choose MP3 from the drop down menu (click Add Description to get additonal drop downs to use).

The site doesn't allow CD in combination with an MP3 drop down.
I will do the second, but it seems like a workaround to me. This should be added as an standalone option.
http://discogs.versitio.com/release/5516960 Here's the release.

Looks good to me.

This was discussed some time ago but a conclusion wasn't reached.
http://discogs.versitio.com/forum/thread/52ef8c49ad9d357d3e49504b

cellularsmoke
Looks good to me.

For reasons stated in that previous thread I'm not so sure that this really is the right way to enter such a tracklist.

This Cd is different from a CD-rom as far as I know. Like I'm stressing, adding MP3-CD to the drop down list would solve everything =_=

I believe the MP3 CD is the same as a CD-ROM. This doesn't constitute a different format, it is just a CD-ROM with certain files on it. The presence of a logo doesn't matter IMHO.

The correct format is:

CD, CD-ROM, MP3, 320 kbps

nik
The correct format is:

CD, CD-ROM, MP3, 320 kbps

nik, for clarity, can you confirm whether the number of files contained on the disc should or should not be entered in format on a separate line as was advised by some above and in the other topic?

I honestly don't understand why adding this to the database is such an issue. If I would get my hands on a MP3 CD, I should be able to list it as it is, instead of going to the forums and determining that, yes it's technically a CD-rom. Like you can see, the wrong way of listing this was used before you gave the 'real way.' This is sure to give a ton of incorrect submisisons.

There are numerous CD-roms in the database. http://discogs.versitio.com/Rob-King-Steve-Baca-Paul-Romero-Might-And-Magic-6-The-Mandate-Of-Heaven/release/1667078 for example. This submission gives the impression that it only contains tracks, while it's a game Cd-rom that contains a load of other data. That's why MP3 CD as a format should be able to differentiate from that.

Also, the way that MP3 CD logo's appear on them, and that special "Mp3 CD compatible' players ( http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/miselmj2000/main.jpg ) were released, indicates that these Cds were marketed specifically like this, not just as CD-roms with playback capability.

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There are numerous CD-roms in the database. http://discogs.versitio.com/Rob-King-Steve-Baca-Paul-Romero-Might-And-Magic-6-The-Mandate-Of-Heaven/release/1667078 for example. This submission gives the impression that it only contains tracks, while it's a game Cd-rom that contains a load of other data. That's why MP3 CD as a format should be able to differentiate from that.

I don't think this is a good example. From what I can read in the Notes section this one is playable on ordinary CD-players so the tag shouldn't be CD-ROM but rather Enhanced.

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Also, the way that MP3 CD logo's appear on them, and that special "Mp3 CD compatible' players ( http://ixbtlabs.com/articles/miselmj2000/main.jpg ) were released, indicates that these Cds were marketed specifically like this, not just as CD-roms with playback capability.

Technically they're no different than a CD-ROM with a bunch of mp3-files on them. It's just that it got a mp3 logo on it. And there doesn't seem to be a standardized logo. The logo that you linked to in your first post is completely different to the one on the CD-player.

And lastly here's a quote from that Wikipedia article that you linked to in the first post that would argument against a special MP3-CD tag:

There is no official standard for how the MP3 files on an MP3 CD are stored on discs.

Bong
I don't think this is a good example. From what I can read in the Notes section this one is playable on ordinary CD-players so the tag shouldn't be CD-ROM but rather Enhanced.

Enhanced? I don't think so at all. This is the installation disc of a game, required in your computer if you wish to play. The game loads these tracks from the Cd-rom for playback in the game. So it isn't a CD with extra data functions (enhanced) but a CD-rom with extra music functions.

Bong
Technically they're no different than a CD-ROM with a bunch of mp3-files on them. It's just that it got a mp3 logo on it. And there doesn't seem to be a standardized logo. The logo that you linked to in your first post is completely different to the one on the CD-player.

And lastly here's a quote from that Wikipedia article that you linked to in the first post that would argument against a special MP3-CD tag:

Yes I acknowledge that it's technically a CD-rom, but one that was marketed in this very specific way with specific players released for compatability. I don't ever saw one of those old walkmans that stated "music CD-rom compatability." Because normal CD-roms are not associated with music, these MP3 CD-'roms' were conceived to solve that (and cram lots of lossy music on one disc and/or play into MP3 hype).

Apparently the conservatism of this site would rather have all kinds of shady format combinations and note explanations than just add this as a format in it's own right and be done with it.

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So it isn't a CD with extra data functions (enhanced) but a CD-rom with extra music functions.

Technically that's the same thing.

Bong
Technically that's the same thing.

Look, I'm not at all an initiate in the world beyond the closet of CD standards, but if a box/disc says PC CD-rom in fat letters you're not gonna list it as "CD, Enhanced". That's kind of what I'm trying to achieve with this MP3 Cd thing.

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Apparently the conservatism of this site would rather have all kinds of shady format combinations and note explanations than just add this as a format in it's own right and be done with it.

There are a number of reasons we are strict regarding formats.

First, having the Formats List longer than is strictly necessary, with possible duplicate formats, is not good usability nor good data entry.

Secondly, the formats have to be the real, actual root formats. just because someone makes up a name for something, doesn't make it a real format. The MP3 CD thing is just a shorthand way to sell something to non-technical consumers. If we added every marketed variation in CD and DVD naming, the list would be at least twice as long, if not longer.

nik
If we added every marketed variation in CD and DVD naming, the list would be at least twice as long, if not longer.

Can you give some examples of those? Not to say you aren't right (I'm sure you have more knowledge about obscure CD presses), but honestly none spring to mind.

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Can you give some examples of those?

Here are some that comes to my mind right away.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-spec_CD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Compact_Disc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Resolution_Compact_Disc

I see. Well I guess you are right then. Maybe you should make list of these 'non-formats' to counter a potential infinite flow of topics adressing this issue (or fix the forum search, while you are at it, fix the database search too).