"Other (Stamped in Mould): Stamped 2 (Big)
Other (Stamped in Mould): Stamped 2 (Small)"
Use "matrix/Runout for data in the mould of a CD.
"Other (Distribution Code): UK:QQ
Other (Distribution Code): D:QY
Other (Distribution Code): F:BM620" the country codes (UK, D and F) must not be entered into the data field with the price codes, they go in the description field as per Nik
The matrix/Runout field is for runout/matrix typoe data. Basically anything not on the playing surface of CD (mirror band, stacking ring, mould) and the runout are of an LP including catalogue numbers... and also label matrices from CDs and LP may be entered under this field.
Just to put the idea to bed that only the literal matrix may go in the matrix/runout field, of the matrix you entered (Disctronics S ZD 44898 01) the following is true:
Disctronics S = this is not a matrix, but the company identifier. In this case Disctronics in Southwater which uses the profile "Disctronics S".
ZD 44898 = The release catalogue number.
01 - Father (Glass master) code which is the only aspect literally related to an actual purpose made matrix.
2 (Large) and the 2 (small) Probably relate to the mother and the stamper meaning they have more relevance in the matrix/runout field than 90% of the data you had entered there.
MusicNutter
Point me to a guidelines where stamped numbers are part of the Matix.
the guidelines are there to help you enter data, not hinder you, so point me to where it says you cannot enter it under "matrix/runout". Alsoi, learn to use the search function in the forums as everything you post here has been covered a billion times: http://discogs.versitio.com/forum/thread/373899#524055da4322463c710b2969
MusicNutter
And the Distribution codes, nothing was wrong with it before.
nik
Amsreddevil also changed "Other (Distribution Code []): CA 773" to "Other (Distribution code): CA 773". I don't feel this change was correct, '' refers to where the item was distributed, and not the code itself.
I know now, wasn't aware of the bit from nik. I'll change anything, that number is stamped to Matrix :) As for codes Other (Distribution Code UK) QQ looks better.
Hey folks, sorry if I was inconsistent about the distribution code. I guess we need to call this one way or the other, and get it in the guidelines. I consider any letters to be part of it, but full words not to be. I could be wrong.
The Uk is a cat. I had a similar issue with Runrig cassette. The uk cat was written where it says UK. Was ruled a cat. The PM 554 is a distribution code
Yep, letters and countries are the same thing and need to be treated the same and should not be considered part of the code, after all they use the UK box for the UK catalogue numbers and that is not part of the code/catalogue number. Also consider that these letters are frequently present when there is no code as Xjoxjox advises.
Musicnutter, we're aware of what they are, but are illustrating that as EMI releases treat them in similar ways, that the country prefix is not part of the code/catalogue number.
I think Nik got it right in the sub he was speaking to Amsred on.
So the countries or country abbreviations (usually with a colon) should not be entered as part of the catalog / distribution etc number, but can be added to the description. Seems straightforward.
Should this be entered as:
- Other (Distribution code F:): none
or would it go against RSG §5.10.?
No, it doesn't go against 5.10. The 'absence' there means a total absence, not an empty field on the release. You'd be fine entering that 'blank' one in your example, if you wanted to.
How's this:
- Label codes, distribution or price codes are sometimes prefixed with country abbreviations or indicators. Please enter these in the description field only, not as part of the code itself.
xjoxjox
Label codes, distribution or price codes are sometimes prefixed with country abbreviations or indicators. Please enter these in the description field only, not as part of the code itself.
strummin
So where should "UK: 582 1362" be documented ? It's a code, or isn't it ? It contains a catalog number, but that it is preceded by the UK prefix might be of some interest.
That's actually a catalogue number so does not go in the baoi and is slightly off topic.
The country affiliation can be explained in the notes when you;re explaining the location of the different catalogue numbers: "Catalogue number 582 1362 is marked as a UK catalogue number and is printed under the barcode on the rear traycard...".
Eviltoastman
That's actually a catalogue number so does not go in the baoi
so it's currently incorrect added here: Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage ?
UK: 495 3312 belongs without the UK: prefix as 2nd catalogue number to LCCN and should not be repeatet in BAOI - right?
Eviltoastman
Most people would just search the catalogue number.
That's assuming that most people know that UK: is not part of that catalogue number. Or that what follows the "UK:" actually is a catalog number. These combinations even occur on the spine of releases, where most people probably would expect just a catalogue number. Fact is that many s around here, myself included, have been entering "F: PM 554" or "UK: 495 3312" in the baoi just as it appears on the release (and yes, I am well aware that the latter is not a "distribution code").
One of the reasons might have been that until today this has been the way officially endorsed by nik 3 years (!) ago: http://discogs.versitio.com/forum/thread/52150012946973361119a493#52150012946973361119a482
Where do you get to see just the one release you might possibly have been looking for? Not 15 others as well?
Try this example:
"I: 082" appears on Tangerine Dream - Thief. I would like to know whether 082 is a distribution / price code or some form of unique catalog number. What search could possibly answer that question? This one: http://discogs.versitio.com/search/?type=release&barcode="082"&advanced=1 showing 432 very mixed results?
Or http://discogs.versitio.com/search/?type=release&barcode=%22I%3A+082%22&advanced=1 showing what I suppose are 29 exact matches (I didn't check all of them) ?
Note that the latter probably would not yield any results if "I:" is hidden in the field description of all release pages that carry the code. Or if it has been expanded to "Italy" or "Distribution Code Italy" or whatever else might serve as a description of the code.
The other question this guideline update raises is whether s should start (or will start) removing LC from the labelcodes? "Label codes, distribution or price codes are sometimes prefixed with country abbreviations or indicators." would suggest just that, as LC might be thought of as such an "indicator".
Eviltoastman
LC is is not a country prefix of a country indicator.
So "Label codes, distribution or price codes are sometimes prefixed with country abbreviations or indicators." actually is supposed to be "Label codes, distribution or price codes are sometimes prefixed with country abbreviations or country indicators."? What is a country indicator then ?
Besides, why do we consider 082 to be the actual code in "I: 082", while we take LC to be part of the code in "LC 0171", when the code for the actual label is just 0171 ? LC="Label Code" is just an indicator of what type of code it is. It is useful do be retained with the code itself, for searching etc. But the same could be said about the country prefix, as explained above.
Label codes are sometimes prefixed with D (for ) as this is where they were initially used.
strummin
Besides, why do we consider 082 to be the actual code in "I: 082", while we take LC to be part of the code in "LC 0171"
Start a new thread, that's a different subject and does not related to country indicators. Before starting the thread, search. We discussed that to death, your questions have largely been answered. I have a specific answer for you which should be self evident but as I can see above that new thread of yours will probably go on forever too. Anyway, off topic, open a new thread after doing some reading, the search works just fine.
strummin
while we take LC to be part of the code in "LC 0171", when the code for the actual label is just 0171 ? LC="Label Code" is just an indicator of what type of code it is.
Eviltoastman
We discussed that to death, your questions have largely been answered.
Indeed, we did. With many more and different arguments than ever surfaced in this tiny little thread. Which was hidden under the title "Release question" and involved a handful of participants. Now we have a new guideline that is going to require editing of thousands of release pages and is not going to improve accuracy at all.
strummin
That's not true at all. There are many releases where the code exists without LC.
I meant the code "doesn't exist without" as per GVL's official guidelines.
But if the code is printed without "LC", then it's fine to be entered verbatim. But… those releases actually violate GVL's guidelines; none of our business though. ;)
Every BAOI field is intended to carry verbatim strings (with a few exceptions like "iƒpi"). E.g. with CBS we even differ between "LC 0149" (sleeve) and "LC-0149" (labels). Each can be entered separately with its location noted in the Description field.
The difference to the "distribution" code (or what for the code/catalog# is used) is that the country abbreviations are not normed, or often not abbreviated at all. They are not part of the actual code, they're just a description.
loukash
They are not part of the actual code, they're just a description.
No they are not a description. How does I: serve as a description for 082 ? It is a specification in which territory the code applies. The combination of country prefix and price code or catalog# is a code in itself. That's why it should be represented within the baoi section in its entirety.
edit:
loukash
This five-figure number must always be used in connection with the letters "LC" (for label code).
This is a description. Even though it is considered part of the code by the GVL. We have effectively substituted the LC with our own description (Label Code) in the baoi section. So if we should omit purely descriptional parts from codes on the release or move them to the description field, the LC would be a better candidate. Though even in that case I would prefer the verbatim transfer from the release, see
loukash
E.g. with CBS we even differ between "LC 0149" (sleeve) and "LC-0149" (labels). Each can be entered separately with its location noted in the Description field.
strummin
That's why it should be represented within the baoi section in its entirety.
It is. However a minority of one is arguing that something that is not part of "it" should be included. Horse has bolted, we've made the best decision.
