Common runout groove etchings: how to list them (PART II)

Just thought I'd continue a reference list of some common runout groove etchings, and how they should be properly listed in submissions. Some can be added as credits, others should be listed in notes only. If you have any others, please post them in this thread.

Just to have an overview (without searching through the pages).
List will be updated regulary.

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SIMON - The Exchange (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Simon Davey
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

NILZ - THE EXCHANGE (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Nilesh Patel
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

MIKE @ THE EXCHANGE (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Mike Marsh
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

MANDY @ THE EXCHANGE (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Mandy Parnell
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

GUY'S - THE EXCHANGE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Guy Davie
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

Ray - THE EXCHANGE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Ray Staff
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

Grazz - The Exchange
Greyham - The Exchange
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Graeme Durham
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

JONZ - THE EXCHANGE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - John Dent
Add a note:
Mastered at The Exchange.

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D+M (note; M has a hook on the end)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Moritz von Oswald
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

CGB@D&M (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Christoph Grote-Beverborg
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

(spiral sign) @ D+M (note; looks like a curl)
D+M (spiral sign)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Robert Henke (NOTE: Masteringengineer until 1999)
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

(spiral sign) @ D+M (note; looks like a crossed equal sign inside)
ⓡ at D & M
Rashad D+M (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Rashad Becker
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

Lupo/D+M
loop-o/D+M
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Loop-o
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

FST @ D+M
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Frederic Stader
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

‡ D&M (note; looks like this)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Helmut Erler
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering.

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Stu.
Stu. @ Masterpiece.
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Stuart Hawkes
Add a note:
Mastered at Masterpiece.

NEIL MASTERPIECE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Neil Devine
Add a note:
Mastered at Masterpiece.

Tim D. Masterpiece
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Tim Dennen
Add a note:
Mastered at Masterpiece.

MILES MASTERPIECE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Miles Showell
Add a note:
Mastered at Masterpiece.

Wally C. @ Masterpiece
WALLY MASTERPIECE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Walter Coelho
Add a note:
Mastered at Masterpiece.

Mike @ Masterpiece
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Mike Palmer
Add a note:
Mastered at Masterpiece.

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LAWRIE @ CURVE PUSHER
CURVE PUSHER.
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Lawrie Immersion
Add a note:
Mastered at Curve Pusher.

[/] @ CURVE PUSHER.
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Ashley Burchett
Add a note:
Mastered at Curve Pusher.

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andreas@schnittstelle
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Andreas Kauffelt
Add a note:
Mastered at Schnittstelle.

TPH@schnittstelle
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Thomas P. Heckmann
Add a note:
Mastered at Schnittstelle.

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SST
Add a credit:
Mastered By - SST (8)
Add a note:
Mastered at Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

K SST
Add a credit:
Mastered By - K SST
Add a note:
Mastered at Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

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LXC
Add a credit:
Mastered By - LXC
Add a note:
Mastered at R.A.N.D. Muzik.

Rand
Add a note:
Mastered at R.A.N.D. Muzik.

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RV-TR
Herve @ Translab
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Hervé Bordes
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

POM TR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Pompon Finkelstein
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

CHAB · Translab ☆
CHAB-TR
CHAB-TR☆
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Chab (2)
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

CED-TR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Cédric Monnet
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

IO/TR
iO.@TRANSLAB
Add a credit:
Mastered By - IO (7)
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

JC
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Jean-Christophe Beaudon
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

BNJ @ Translab
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Benjamin Joubert
Add a note:
Mastered at Translab, Paris.

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PD-CR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Peter Dahl
Add a note:
Mastered at Cutting Room.

BA-CR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Björn Almstedt
Add a note:
Mastered at Cutting Room.

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kdisc CH (often in cursive)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Carol Hibbs
Add a note:
Mastered at K Disc Mastering.

kdisc JG (often in cursive)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - John Golden
Add a note:
Mastered at K Disc Mastering.

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MASTERED BY CAPITOL Wally
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Wally Traugott

MASTERED BY CAPITOL KP
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Ken Perry

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BA-GP
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Björn Almstedt
Add a note:
Mastered at Grammoplast.

A Porky Prime Cut.
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Porky (5)

Herbie :^)
HP F/W
Herb :^) F/W
Herbie Jr. :^)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Herb Powers Jr.

Music House
Add a note:
Mastered at Music House.

Beau
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Beau Thomas
Add a note:
Mastered at Heathmans Mastering.

an "A with M" sign (note; looks like this)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Andy Mellwig

pole
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Pole

TC
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Tom Coyne

CSB (with two musical notes)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Carlton Batts

NSC
Add a note:
Mastered at National Sound Corporation, Detroit.

Trutone NY - PA
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Phil Austin

COPYMASTERS - Miles
Add a credit:
Mastered by - Miles Showell

MARTIN @ C.T.S.
Add a credit:
Mastered by - Martin Giles

C.T.S. Wembley
Add a note:
Mastered at C.T.S. Studios, Wembley.

FW RCE
MCR-RCE
F/W RCE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Rick Essig
Add a note:
Mastered at Frankford Wayne Mastering Labs.

F/W
Add a note:
Mastered at Frankford Wayne Mastering Labs.

Paul S @ Porky's
-PAULS:CUTZ-
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Paul Solomons
Add a note:
Mastered at Porky's Mastering in London.

PCMJR
MMMJR
Metropolis Mastering Chicago M.J.R.
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Mark Richardson (3)

PD-POLAR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Peter Dahl
Add a note:
Mastered at Polar Mastering.

DMM
Add a note:
Mastered at Direct Metal Mastering.

Gordon at The Townhouse
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Gordon Vickary
Add a note:
Mastered at The Townhouse.

CHRIS P @ UNITY
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Chris Parmenidis

Truetone Mastering NYC Carl
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Carl Rowatti

Noel @ Transfermation
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Noel Summerville
Add a note:
Mastered at Transfermation.

POUNDA (Can be misread as BUNDA, due to the O being located under the P)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Pounda
Add a note:
Mastered at Copymasteres, London.

CHRISTIAN@ABBEYROAD
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Christian Wright
Add a note:
Mastered at Abbeyroad.

MATT ALCHEMY
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Matt Colton
Add a note:
Mastered at Alchemy.

XAVIER .MANMADE.
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Tim Xavier
Add a note:
Mastered at Man Made Mastering.

KASAR CALYX
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Kasar
Add a note:
Mastered at Calyx Mastering.

SHANE@T2T
SH@NE@T2T
SH@NE
SH@NE @ HEATHMANS
SMC
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Shane McEnhill

TimTom-cbs
TimTom-CBS
ty
TY1
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Tim Young
Add a note:
Mastered at iMastering.

MB
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Mathieu Berthet

RAYS
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Ray Staff

RS (the R is slightly elevated over the S)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Richard Simpson
Add a note:
Mastered at Richard Simpson Mastering, L.A.

J@ TRANSITION
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Jason Goz
Add a note:
Mastered at Transition Studios.

*-J.T.S.-*
Add a note: Mastered at JTS Studios.

The Hit Factory cg ☮
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Chris Gehringer
Add a note:
Mastered at Hit Factory Mastering.

Pete@Finyl Tweek
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Pete Norman
Add a note:
Mastered at Finyl Tweek.

RJ STERLING
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Ray Janos
Add a note:
Mastered at Sterling Sound, NY.

WJH at LH
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Jörg Henze
Add a note:
Mastered at LH Audio Services.

FOON MASTERING
Add a note:
Mastered at FOON Mastering Center, Lier, Belgium.

PRECISION SM
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Stephen Marcussen

KEVIN @ SCRATCH FREE
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Kevin Park
Add a note:
Mastered at Mastered at Scratch Free Press, Toronto (Canada).

MATT @ MATTCOLTONMASTERING.COM
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Matt Colton
Add a note:
Mastered at Mattcoltonmastering.com

Tippy - Hit Factory
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Tony "Tippy" Tarochione
Add a note:
Mastered at Hit Factory Mastering.

DON GROSSINGER
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Don Grossinger

FULLERSOUND MF
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Mike Fuller
Add a note:
Mastered at Fullersound.

DCHARLES
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Dick Charles

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Pressing plant info:

EUROPADISK
Add a note:
Pressed at Europadisk, NYC, New York.

DAMONT
Add a note:
Pressed at Damont Audio Limited.

ORLAKE
Add a note:
Pressed at Orlake Records.

MPO
Add a note:
Pressed at MPO Averton.

DFI
Add a note:
Pressed at DFI.

WMME Alsdorf
Add a note:
Pressed at Warner Music Manufacturing Europe, Alsdorf, .

www.gzvinyl.com
Add a note:
Pressed at GZ Vinyl.

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MOST WANTED IDENTIFICATIONS:
Townhouse engineers:
Nix Mix Townhouse
Mel/Ces
Ray (often in combination with Tone),
Max (which also appears in combination with Porky, TY1 or TY2 and makes me believe it could be anything, a human, a process, a machine...),
Kev (example),
RW (could also be Ray though),
PC or RC.
#Jeff
Townhouse

others:
Andre @ Topmaster
"Soundmaster" Lionel @ Translab
Jay @ Masterpiece
Dave W - Masterpiece
ANDY '92
PR-M
Dave Cut

JNZ = John Dent ??
John D = John Dent ??
Lee Ba S
FRESHPLATE mastering company or pressing plant?
EW pressing plant?
MA. more informations
JEZ-MASTERROOM look here
OR (Pressed at Orlake Records?)
p at D+M (Pole?)
SS. ("mastered and pressed in UK")
CBA. ("mpo pressing, but surely mastered in the UK.")
three etchings
HCB xxxxxx (6 digits) (example
LYN (example)
ADAM (example)
CW-'s @ HEATHMANS (W maybe an A for Chris Alexander?) (example)
Ⓜ (followed by "TWIG" or "TWID") (another example)
two etchings
Ⓤ or ⓤ (Pressing Plant?)
SST M&S (example)
OP or QP (example)
NAL MASTERPIECE (example)
TYN (example)
J.H. (Mastered at Utopia?)

Thanks to all!

Long list here:
http://discogs.versitio.com/groups/topic/168918

Though there are no links to discogs artist pages in that list, maybe you could start linking them here :D

BTW most of those 'most wanted' are in that list :)

this group is closed. And IMO it's a little bit difficult to survey.
I'll update this list.

If you want to gather all the ones (4 pages worth) here: http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/88979 into one list that would be cool. If not then lets just keep that one going seeing how Nik linked it here: http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/181408

Yes, I try gather all info's with your help.
I though it would be nice to have an overview on the first side.
Perhaps it takes a few days until it's "complete" but I'll do my best.

Stadt.Kind
Herve @ Translab

Hervé Bordes

also translab engineers:
Jean-Christophe Beaudon

Stadt.Kind
Rashad D+M (or other variants)
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Rashad Becker
Add a note:
Mastered at Dubplates & Mastering

variant: ⓡ at D & M

Se-BusT-eL
Herve @ Translab

Hervé Bordes

uh - careful!
IIRC most releases cut by Hervé Bordes i own are signed RV-TR.
it could also be Hervé Dutournier.
maybe some entries are already listed under the wrong profile...

Stadt.Kind, when i find some time i'll PM you some more engineers i came across ...

comkai
most releases cut by Hervé Bordes are signed RV-TR.

correct

Se-BusT-eL
also translab engineers:
Chab (2)
Cédric Monnet (not Ced (2) incorrect artist profile)
IO (7)
Jean-Christophe Beaudon

Do you know how they appear in run-outs?

Se-BusT-eL
variant: ⓡ at D & M

This could be Robert Henke.
He's usring this spiral sign. I try to email D&M...

What's up with the first thread?

The "founder" form the first thread has closed his , so the list he created will not be updated. I thought i would be nice to have a list with all roles on the first page. Makes it easier to search for a credit, IMO. List above is not complete yet, but I try to complete it.

Stadt.Kind
BA-CR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Björn Almstedt
Add a note:
Mastered at Cutting Room

BA-GP

Is the same man, but mastered at Grammoplast.

Stadt.Kind
PD-POLAR
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Peter Dahl
Add a note:
Mastered at Polar Mastering

PD-CR is Peter Dahl too, but mastered at Cutting Room.

Stadt.Kind
the first thread ... couldn't be updated

right, makes sense - thanks.

I have a question I hope someone can help with:

GOL
I've seen these initials on a load of records I have along with a numbering system - anyone have a clue?

Here's the ones I have seen:
K-7566/K-7567 AVI Records)
K-7609/K-7610 AVI Records)
K-7743/K-7744 Red Greg)
K-7808/K-7809 Atmosphere Strut (P&P Records)
K-7847/K-7848 Ain't Gonna Be A Next Time (P&P Records)
K-8025 Spaced Out
K-9066/K-9067 Stoop Down Baby (Instr.) (P&P Records)
K-9079/K-9080 King David Sings The Blues (P&P Records)
K-9103/K-9104 Out Of Work (P&P Records)
K-9232/K-9233 I'd Do Anything For Your Love / Superstition (P&P Records)
K-9871/K-9872 AVI Records)
K-10291/K-10255 Keep On Dancin' (SAM)
K-10701/K-10705 I'm Never Going To Leave You (New York) (Keylock)
K-10778/K-10779 Salsoul Records)
K-10823/K-10824 Salsoul Records)
K-10886/K-10887 Salsoul Records)
K-10918 Salsoul Records)
K-10934/K-10935 Gold Mind Records)
K-10997/K-10956 Salsoul Records)
K-11008/K-11009 Sound Trek Records)
K-11017/K-11018 Salsoul Records)
K-11321/K-11322 Salsoul Records)
K-11334/K11335 Salsoul Records)
K-11588/K-11589 Salsoul Records)
K-13065/K-13066 Fire-Sign Limited)
K-13360/K-13361 We'll Make It (SAM)
K-13366/K-13367 This Beat Is Mine (SAM)

Stadt.Kind
variant: ⓡ at D & M

This could be Robert Henke.
He's usring this spiral sign. I try to email D

It isn't the spiral sign, but would be better if you ask.
If you write to D & M include a link to this release:
Jean-Christophe Beaudon = JC

Pounda (Pounda Cutmaster Peachy) = POUNDA

Where POUNDA appears in the runout it is easy to misread as BUNDA, due to the O being located under the P.

Se-BusT-eL
this spiral sign

Spiral sign is Rashad Beckers etching.
Quote from E-Mail with D&M:
"Cadenza and Perlon records were mastered and cut by Rashad."

Thanks

IMO Rashad Beckers sign is an lower case "r" in a circle (ⓡ at D&M)

The spiral sign of Robert Henke is different: http://i40.tinypic.com/2gx03s1.jpg
appears on that record e.g.: Jeff Mills - Shifty Disco E.P.

I think you have mixed up two different signs in that case.

Greets

Are you sure the Jeff Mills record was mastered by Robert Henke?
Maybe it was Rashad Becker, too?

I ask D&M for Robert Henke sign.

thanks

updated!
Robert Henke stopped his work in 1999.

Se-BusT-eL
The spiral sign of Robert Henke is different: http://i40.tinypic.com/2gx03s1.jpg

I used your picture in list above.

I also added a picture from Rashad Becker's sign.

great. :-)

PS: Here is a picture of Helmut Erlers sign: http://i43.tinypic.com/2i0xiit.jpg

Hi

I'm updating this http://discogs.versitio.com/release/126966 release.

I read in runout grooves there are : NILZ - THE EXCHANGE | MPO | EURODISC

I get the two first ones, but what is EURODISC and how to properly add to notes?
In the other common runout groove thread http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/88979 there was a mention of Eurodisc with a link.
On the same topic there also was a mixup of Eurodisc and Eurodisk, are they the same?

Any advice is appreciated... thanks

PS. Big up for the credits/notes already listed in this thread. I Keep getting back here...

Toxoplasma - Toxoplasma

this release has the etching SNB on both sides.

whatever it means. It is the only punk record I have, so I can't tell where else it's in use or even where it was pressed. Probably in , though. According to another , this was released in the late 1980s, but most probably repressed from the original 1983 master.

there's no matrix no. besides the exact release cat#

SNB
->

There are at least 2 variants which use SNB in runout groove.

Sabin Brunet

Add a credit:
Mastered by SNB* (anv of Sabin Brunet)

Add a note:
Mastered at SNB Mastering studio, Montréal (Québec), Canada

or

For German releases, it's Studio-Nord-Bremen:
http://www.studio-nord-bremen.de/

Then add a note:
Mastered at SNB Studio-Nord-Bremen.

wow, thanks!

http://discogs.versitio.com/Forbidden-Society-DJ-Hidden-Slacknote-Consumed-Thugs-Paulblackout-Remix/release/1157766

this record pressed in the UK (also mastered there I reckon) has THE CUTTER (hand written) etched into side a

there's also another word in swinging handwriting, followed with an exclamation mark, but I can't read it

Looking for those:

J@ TRANSITION
SHANE@T2T

anyone?

I found "SENGN" (or maybe "BENGN") etched in the run-outs of 3 of my records.

These are all italian. Labels are Molto.

Anyone an idea?

Could someone confirm my thought if "JNZ" is John Dent? Thanks

Stadt.Kind
Mike @ Masterpiece

http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Mike+Palmer

legumes-SALES
http://discogs.versitio.com/Forbidd...emix/release/1157766

this record pressed in the UK (also mastered there I reckon) has THE CUTTER (hand written) etched into side a

there's also another word in swinging handwriting, followed with an exclamation mark, but I can't read it

I'm pretty sure that would be Shane McEnhill.

sjcee
SHANE@T2T

Shane McEnhill

"Lee Ba S" (or something similar) anyone? I found this etching on a reissue of The Shape Of Jazz To Come by Ornette Coleman on Atlantic. It is etched in handwriting.

Thanks,

Tine

TimTom-cbs or TimTom-CBS, anyone?

vinyl-addict
TimTom-cbs or TimTom-CBS, anyone?

http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/%09Tim+Young%09

you can still look at the old Run-out thread that still has a lot of info that hasn't been copied over yet. Particularly the list here: http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/88979?page=3

Thanks _kerry, i had the links already but i was not sure ;)

hey stadkind,
according to the ongoing discussion, would you mind changing the role from "Mastered By" to "Technician [Cut By]"

at least it seems everyone is in agreement, that Mastered By ain't the correct role...

http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/185534

No, I don't agree. I like the old "Mastered By"-credit. :-D

There're just 6 involved in this forum.
How representative is a survey of 6 people?
How about discussing a new creditrole? I think it's better before edit all credits.

I agree a lot more discussion needs to take place.

Mastering, as used in American English, can legitimately refer to cutting the lacquer as well as preparing the production tape or pre-mastering in the digital domain for CD/Digital release.

AND
FWIW, the cutting engineer/mastering engineer is an ENGINEER more than a mere technician, though there are plenty of folks out there cutting lacquers who have almost NO ENGINEERING SKILLZ per se.
;)

Recently BNG @ Translab on this release http://discogs.versitio.com/Dosem-Silent-Drop/release/1694557

koil
BNG @ Translab

I think you meant "BNJ @ Translab".

I've found the person. BNJ means Benj AKA Benjamin Joubert

OK, I GUESS THAT'S A NEW ONE

Example:
Side A: B789109-01 A1 MK
Side B: B789109-01 B1 MK

Taken from:
http://discogs.versitio.com/Generators-Welcome-To-The-End/release/1712678

stands for:
Optimal Media Production
Glienholzweg 7
17207 Röbel / Müritz

http://www.optimal-online.de

Important is:

a "B" , a "6-digit number" , a "-01" and "1" after the side (A or B) AND everything stamped!
That points to Optimal Media Production.

I discovered two mastering engineers so far:
MK and HL

Sometimes there are no initials at the end. That means, no one of Optimal Media Production mastered the record.

I talk with one of the company, but they won't disclose who's behind the initials. They say that's data privacy.
Although I asked very polite ;)

If you follow the link you will find a submission for MK(11).
Could someone be so kind and tell me if I made everything right with the submission? That would be great!

I have 2 A&M U.K. Police 45s with "tone" in lower case in the runout grooves.

I also have their first IRS U.K. single "Nothing Achieving" / "Fallout". It has RAYS in CAPS in the deadwax.

Anybody know what these are referencing?

Thanks.
____________________

I'd also like to add the following.

Many Canadian LPs from the mid-late 1970s have DM in the runout grooves. Pretty sure that means the LPs were pressed by CBS Records Canada (now Sony), in their Don Mills, Ontario pressing plant. This includes Columbia and Epic LPs. Also Warner, A&M and other Canadian labels used CBS as well.

Found out today that RAYS is mastering engineer Ray Staff.

Already in wide use here, but notable:
etching is usually:

"A Porky Prime Cut" or something similar.

Discogs name is Porky (5)
Real Name: George Peckham
http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Porky+(5)

some wants:

1: MA.
- a lot of UK Garage and Drum&Bass releases from around 1997 to 2000 contain the etching
- on some releases mastering infos are etched additionally to MA., on some not
- also seen in combination with etchings FRESHPLATE. and JTS
- I suppose it must be the info of the pressing plant
- anyone got info about it.

2: SMC - I guess it could be an abbreviation for the mastering company. also comes in conjunction with etched mastering credit for Sh@NE T2T (Who's The Better Man (Wideboys V.I.P. Mixes))

3: Hardcore&D&B releases from 1992-1996 often contain etched PA numbers (i.e. PA 6584 - anyone aware if that code (PA+4 digits) could be a hint for a certain pressing plant or mastering company?

4: FRESHPLATE.:
- mastering company or pressing plant?
- often appears in conjunction with the etching JTS --> mastering engineer at JTS?
- also seen in combination with etchings: MA. and JTS

5: EW - pressing plant? (sometimes in combination with TRANSITION)

6: John D ??? (John Dent??)

Please also update existing entry SHANE@T2T in the list:
there are existing variations for the same credit:
SH@NE@T2T
SH@NE
SH@NE @ HEATHMANS
(engineer seems to have worked with different companys)

sjcee
2: SMC - I guess it could be an abbreviation for the mastering company. also comes in conjunction with etched mastering credit for Sh@NE T2T

Shane McEnhill?

Edit:
http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Shane+McEnhill?anv=SMC

sounds like the solution on SMC - must've been blind

Just listening to X - "Los Angeles" original U.S. Slash Records LP pressing from 1981.

In the runout grooves are the following:

Side 1 - Precision Laquer S.M.
Side 2 - Precision SM.

Most likely Precision Mastering in Los Angeles, as they'd just started two years earlier in 1979.

http://www.precisionmastering.com/

Wondering if anyone knows who SM was?

Looking for JEZ-MASTERROOM as on http://discogs.versitio.com/Mothers-Pride-Floribunda-2006/release/747307

MOST WANTED IDENTIFICATIONS:
Herve @ Translab

http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Herv%C3%A9+Bordes

can you add this one to list too:

http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Chris+Alexander

Stadt.Kind
J@ TRANSITION

Credit: http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Jason+Goz
Note: Mastered at Transition Studios (or just Transition).

Just looking at the deadwax on an original Neil Young - "Hawks & Doves" Reprise/WEA Canada LP.

Side 1 has the label number followed by INTL - C (handwritten).
Side 2 1 has the label number followed by RE-1, then INTL - F along with CBS,NY (handwritten).

CBS, NY is self-explanitory. I have a couple/3 other LPs with that etched in the deadwax.

On both LP sides there is a machine stamped EDP with a circle around it. Anybody know what that is?

I have a few releases showing OR. Pressed at Orlake Records? Can anyone confirm this?

We really need these lists in the wiki with a link in the RSG...

Awesome work on the list!
Chris Blair, famous mastering engineer at Abbey Road.
http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Chris+Blair

Can anyone confirm if he had a "signature" or not? I am turning up records from the 70's with "BLAIR'S" written on them, and it seems a strong possibility...

something to be added:

*-J.T.S.-* (or other variants)
--> Mastered at JTS Studios
(owner: Jah Tubbys)
http://www.jtsstudio.co.uk/

Some releases on Disko B and International Deejay Gigolo Records have etchings like "p at D+M" (around 1998 / 1999). Is this Pole?

duplicate post

heelo some more

andy 92 ==> high probability its andy=andre vinylium switzerland. on what record is it?

then
more
flo at le magnet (mastering) = flo kaufmann (flozki) => www.floka.com from 2004/2005 on
mostly with arrows and more engravings...
before
flo at vinylium.ch swiss pressingplant (dmm and laquer)

other vinylium (switzerland) engineers
jvo
andre
res at stratozoo before 2001 laquer&dmm

forgot to add the links

vinylium.ch mastering room vinylium switzerland

le magnet mastering le magnet mastering =Flo Kaufmann

then centaldubs [url=http://wwwcentraldubs.com]
with:
adi
frank
stefano

then some oldskool engineers. all stopped cutting or died already
if its
[ML] = max lussy, basel . he stopped around 88/89.
[RS]= rico sonderegger. his vms80 lathe is at masterpiece now
durandi= hugo durandi

kdisc is K Disc Mastering, JG is John Golden and CH is Carol Hibbs - both who cut for K Disc...

The Hit Factory cg ☮

Add a credit:
Mastered By - Chris Gehringer
Add a note:
Mastered at Hit Factory Mastering.

stak
There are at least 2 variants which use SNB in runout groove.

Sabin Brunet

Add a credit:
Mastered by SNB* (anv of Sabin Brunet)

Add a note:
Mastered at SNB Mastering studio, Montréal (Québec), Canada

Just an FYI: SnB does NOT always mean Sabin Brunet mastered it. It just means that it was cut at SNB Studio in Montreal. There were other people working there as well. So it should have a note added about the studio, but NOT the credit.

List updated

sacco
le magnet mastering le magnet mastering =Flo Kaufmann

koil
can you add this one to list too:

http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Chris+Alexander

How do these info's appear on record?

Stadt.Kind
How do these info's appear on record?

either as 'kidsc CH' (often in cursive) such as on Funky U.F.O..

Note that the 'k' in 'kdisc' can be capitalized or lower-case.

List updated

Thanks

Epsilon - Bright Black In The Sun

this has a very tiny etching on both sides (with dot): SS.

it was mastered and pressed in the UK.

anyone?

thx in advance

Austin M* - Destroy / Come Now

mpo pressing, but surely mastered in the UK.

etching (with dot): CBA.

beasley564
with "tone" in lower case in the runout grooves.

same here - does somebody have a clue?

Anonymous* - Dirty Drummer

this is an odd one.

it has the following etchings:
MPO
EURODISC
ALCHEMY SOHO

from the looks, it's definitely an MPO Averton pressing, check out the pictures: http://discogs.versitio.com/viewimages?release=452098

so EURODISC is a bit odd.

as for ALCHEMY SOHO, is it the Alchemy company mentioned in Matt Colton's profile? I'd go for just adding a note: Mastered at Alchemy Soho, or simply stating the etchings, until the actual engineer is found.

any ideas?

legumes-SALES
so EURODISC is a bit odd.

maybe some tracks were mastered at MPO and the others at Eurodisk, i seen lots of releases like it :)

I've recently updated a vast number of records in my collection which have K SST, SST and RANDmuzik etchings, and I had three replies from respective label bosses, who said that these were not mastered, but merely cut there.

I'm not entirely sure about the correct usage of myelf, so I have pointed all three to this thread since my updates were based on this list.

edit: http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/182130#2341910
http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/185534

hmm, seems like this was brought up before

edit2: http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/185534#2344962

aye, with this comment from nik.

he mirrors my thoughts on the topic, after reading a wikipedia article, which one of the label bosses who replied to me linked up, i.e. using "mastered by" is the right way to go.

I have placed my disagreement with this kind of addition of information from external sources at the end of this discussion:

http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=53750&diff=36

Why is there an ANV function for the actual artists of a record to denote how they are exactly (even incl. obvious mistakes) represented on a release, when even technicians can be entered by interpretations from etchings?

SickMF
Why is there an ANV function for the actual artists of a record to denote how they are exactly (even incl. obvious mistakes) represented on a release, when even technicians can be entered by interpretations from etchings?

I'm not sure I understand your question. A technical role from a signature in the runouts should use an ANV like any other credit should.

But it most certainly SHOULD be added - after all, there is no difference between crediting Simon Davey when 'SIMON - The Exchange' is in the runouts than there would be if 'Mastered by Simon at The Exchange' was written on the jacket or label.

I'm refering to the case linked above where the mastering role is credited to an artist entry unmentioned on the release, for having "SST" scratched in the runouts. I just wonder about the inconsistency of this handling given the amount of care usually asked for adding artists by precise notation to reflect which and how designations are presented on a release: either exactly the way they appear on it (via ANV if necessary, even if proven to be a spelling mistake), or with an "[Uncredited]" addendum, given there is a valid external source.

About the discussion on differentiating productional mastering from vinyl cutting, further specification in brackets to the "Mastered By" credit may be quite useful regarding this comment http://discogs.versitio.com/help/forums/topic/183305#2314607

I definitely agree that in this case, the credit should be [Uncredited], with a note explaining that "SST" in the runouts indicates her efforts.

The main problem that I have with splitting cutting/pressing from mastering is that often runout signatures are actually by the mastering engineer, who often also cuts the record - and the name or signature alone is not enough to know what the actual credit is. If there is a specific mastering credit (tech or company) on the release, then that's a different story...

I'm still looking for Townhouse engineers:
Mel/Ces,
Ray (often in combination with Tone),
Max (which also appears in combination with Porky, TY1 or TY2 and makes me believe it could be anything, a human, a process, a machine...),
Kev,
RW (could also be Ray though),
PC or RC.

Or #Jeff

sebfact
Kev,

http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Kevin+Metcalfe ?

Kergillian
I definitely agree that in this case, the credit should be [Uncredited], with a note explaining that "SST" in the runouts indicates her efforts.

I think it would be most precise and convenient to credit these engineers exactly as they are written/scratched on the release. "SST" is an abbreviation of the company, but since this exact signature apparently refers to one engineer alone (who is also the owner), this could be made an alias of the full name artist entry. The explanation needed to be put into these two profiles only, instead of every note section of the releases SST happens to appear on.

SickMF
this could be made an alias of the full name artist entry.

Probably the best idea.

Kergillian
I definitely agree that in this case, the credit should be [Uncredited]

why, no! when you have an SST etching, SST is surely not uncredited.

Stadt.Kind
SST
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Christa Brüggemann (2)
Add a note:
Mastered at Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

K SST
Add a credit:
Mastered By - Daniel Krieger (3)
Add a note:
Mastered at Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

probably needs to be updated then in the first post:

Add a credit:
Mastered By - SST
Add a note:
Mastered at Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

SST alias Christa Brüggemann (2)

K SST
Add a credit:
Mastered By - K SST
Add a note:
Mastered at Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

K SST alias Daniel Krieger (3)

you alright with that?

legumes-SALES
why, no! when you have an SST etching, SST is surely not uncredited.

Wrong. SST is a company etching NOT an artist etching. So it is absolutely NOT an alias under any definition.

legumes-SALES
you alright with that?

Again absolutely not. Daniel Krieger (3) should have an ANV of 'K' denoting his signature and that is it.

We do not create pseudo or fake aliases for convenience. We go with reality on this site.

SickMF
this could be made an alias of the full name artist entry. The explanation needed to be put into these two profiles only, instead of every note section of the releases SST happens to appear on.

I disagree, as SST still appears on releases that other engineers work on - but with an additional signature. So it would be disingenuous to use it as an Alias, because it is not used as such.

Essentially, the ABSENCE of a signature on SST recordings means that she was the engineer - and since we cannot use a blank space as an alias, an Uncredited credit and a note should suffice :)

Another way may be to just credit "SST" for what the abbreviaton means, "K SST" possibly being an ANV of it, explanations for the people behind it and the meaning of the ANV in its profile - if a company can be credited, that is.

Other than that I don't see why there should be a credit at all, given that neither each of all engineers are mentioned nor is there any precise info on what they have exactly done on the respective releases to unambiguously justify a specific credit role.
Notes for the company should be sufficient then.

Companies cannot be credited.

It is REALLY not complicated to put her as 'Uncredited' with a runout note, and to note in her profile that SST etchings without a 3rd party sig are hers...

And K is the initial that Krieger uses - so it should be an ANV of 'K', case closed.

Kergillian
It is REALLY not complicated

That hasn't been claimed.
This is simply receiving too many variables of imprecision.

Kergillian
case closed.

Haha, is it?

Anyway, I'm done here.

StaticGuru
http://discogs.versitio.com/artist/Kevin+Metcalfe ?

Sure him, he did another one for Factory, too. Cheers!

SickMF

Haha, is it?

Anyway, I'm done here.

It is, only because that's how the database works.

SickMF
Another way may be to just credit "SST" for what the abbreviaton means, "K SST" possibly being an ANV of it,

? ? ?

SST = Christa Brüggemann
K SST = Daniel Krieger

you cannot ANV to entirely different artists

SST is not the company, SST is her sign, K SST is his sign.

the company is Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

Kergillian

It is REALLY not complicated to put her as 'Uncredited' with a runout note,

except these two mastering engineers are not uncredited! they are credited under pseudonyme, just like about almost all musical artists.

using "uncredited" is reserved for when an artist is ... *ahem* completely unmentioned = uncredited on a release in any shape or form. a run-out groove etching obviously is a credit. it just must be cleared which person is behind a sign.

if you go on using "uncredited" for these, you will have to use it for the majority of all mastering engineers listed in the initial post. that surely makes some 10000 updates. Would be about as useful as waving your arms through hot air in a desperate attempt to cool it - somewhere in the open desert at high noon. hot air belongs to the open desert, btw.

legumes-SALES

SST is not the company, SST is her sign, K SST is his sign.

the company is Schallplatten Schneid-Technik Brüggemann GmbH.

Look again:

S. S. T.

Schallplaten
Schneid
Technik

S.S.T.

It's the company initials.

Her name has no SST in it, so it cannot be her sig - and it is why K SST can exist - it means Krieger from S.S.T.

legumes-SALES
except these two mastering engineers are not uncredited! they are credited under pseudonyme, just like about almost all musical artists.

I repeat: SST is NOT a pseudonym. It is the initials of the company.

Porky is a pseudonym/nickname. Grazz is a pseudonym/nickname.

K, in the case of Krieger, is an initial - which is why it should be ANV'd.

It's really not complicated.

GEOVANNI or GEOUANNI ---> Geovanni.

thanks for this very very helpful topic

Kergillian
Her name has no SST in it, so it cannot be her sig - and it is why K SST can exist - it means Krieger from S.S.T.

SST is her sign. I called her some months and she told me that there are just two Masteringengineers working for SST. Herself and Mr. Krieger. She's using just the SST. To distinguish between them, Daniel Krieger indicates "his" records with an additional K next to the SST.

thx.

http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=349889#latest

btw, please someone (preferably a voter :) tell this and labelowner that I did not post wrong information. :P

not etchings related but Pete Hutchison, he of Peacefrog, right?

Stadt.Kind
SST is her sign. I called her some months and she told me that there are just two Masteringengineers working for SST. Herself and Mr. Krieger. She's using just the SST. To distinguish between them, Daniel Krieger indicates "his" records with an additional K next to the SST.

And again: 'working for SST' - SST is the company. She is using the company's initials to denote that SST is the company pressing the records. She doesn't need a sig because there are only two people working there, and Krieger uses a 'K' to separate them.

So again, best to mention on her profile that when a release pressed by SST has those initials alone on them, then she is the mastering engineer and should get a credit...

Kergillian
So again, best to mention on her profile that when a release pressed by SST has those initials alone on them, then she is the mastering engineer and should get a credit...

It already is!!

Christa Brüggemann (2)

btw, SST is a mastering/cutting house, not a pressing factory.

I've been getting weird EI and NMC votes lately on releases where I credited Christa Brüggemann and Daniel Krieger. I even provided links to this thread. what's up with blind voting these days?

help appreciated:
http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=349889
http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=53750
http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=20556
http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=20560
http://discogs.versitio.com/history?release=20562